How enable Aligment and Sizing toolbar

Have you selected the items you want to align or size?

- Turtle

"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hr86d09m8toacad65jqi1uti1uiaeplr1m@4ax.com... [color=blue]
> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
> out. What am I missing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> N. Graves[/color]

Yes, and these buttons will still not enable.


On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:50:36 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
wrote:
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>Have you selected the items you want to align or size?
>
> - Turtle
>
>"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:hr86d09m8toacad65jqi1uti1uiaeplr1m@4ax.com... [color=green]
>> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
>> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
>> out. What am I missing.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> N. Graves[/color]
>[/color]

Is your form in Design View?

"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nhc7d0la2j1e2j803r6k0b3sus7vg3qi10@4ax.com... [color=blue]
> Yes, and these buttons will still not enable.
>
>
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:50:36 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Have you selected the items you want to align or size?
> >
> > - Turtle
> >
> >"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:hr86d09m8toacad65jqi1uti1uiaeplr1m@4ax.com... [color=darkred]
> >> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
> >> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
> >> out. What am I missing.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> N. Graves[/color]
> >[/color]
>[/color]

Yes, I could not select more than one field if I was not in Design
View.

I think I have checked all the obvious things and I have tried on
several PC's too. PCs in a restricted domain and PCs in workgroups.
With Administrator access to all.

I'm think that there must be a option that is not turned on or maybe
this built in toolbar is for reports. If I build a custom toolbar
with the Alignment buttons they will work fine, but don't want to
create toolbars every time I create a new database.

Thank you for taking time to help me.

N. Graves


On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:47:53 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
wrote:
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>Is your form in Design View?
>
>"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:nhc7d0la2j1e2j803r6k0b3sus7vg3qi10@4ax.com... [color=green]
>> Yes, and these buttons will still not enable.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:50:36 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Have you selected the items you want to align or size?
>> >
>> > - Turtle
>> >
>> >"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:hr86d09m8toacad65jqi1uti1uiaeplr1m@4ax.com...
>> >> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
>> >> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
>> >> out. What am I missing.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> N. Graves
>> >[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

OK, I finally got out the toolbar and looked at it myself.
It behaves exactly as you describe.

A little more research shows that it is intended to be used with Data Access
Pages, not regular forms.
So I guess you're stuck with either
using the Format Menu items (I know, more clicks), or
importing your custom toolbar into new databases.
Unless, of course, you're an advanced enough programmer to write your own
Add-In. <g>

Sorry I couldn't be more help...
- Turtle


"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32n8d0dbout5rfnon117fvd6bpal0k79hp@4ax.com... [color=blue]
>
> Yes, I could not select more than one field if I was not in Design
> View.
>
> I think I have checked all the obvious things and I have tried on
> several PC's too. PCs in a restricted domain and PCs in workgroups.
> With Administrator access to all.
>
> I'm think that there must be a option that is not turned on or maybe
> this built in toolbar is for reports. If I build a custom toolbar
> with the Alignment buttons they will work fine, but don't want to
> create toolbars every time I create a new database.
>
> Thank you for taking time to help me.
>
> N. Graves
>
>
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:47:53 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Is your form in Design View?
> >
> >"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:nhc7d0la2j1e2j803r6k0b3sus7vg3qi10@4ax.com... [color=darkred]
> >> Yes, and these buttons will still not enable.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:50:36 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Have you selected the items you want to align or size?
> >> >
> >> > - Turtle
> >> >
> >> >"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:hr86d09m8toacad65jqi1uti1uiaeplr1m@4ax.com...
> >> >> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
> >> >> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay[/color][/color][/color]
grayed[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >> out. What am I missing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >>
> >> >> N. Graves
> >> >
> >>[/color]
> >[/color]
>[/color]

N. Graves wrote:[color=blue]
> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
> out. What am I missing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> N. Graves[/color]

What version are you using? In A97, I don't see them. I could not find
the Size options (widest/narrowist, shortest/tallest) but the
left/right/top/bottom I could.

I selected View/Customize, selected the toolbar FormDesign, selected
Commands, and then dragged the Left/Right/Top/Bottom buttons onto it.
Works fine for me. Is that what you are referring to? I wish I could
find the Size buttons tho.

Hey Salad thanks again for sharing your knowledge!

Your exactly correct I did not see the size buttons either but that is
not my issue. When I open up my toolbars from the view menu I have
several choices like "Database", "Web", Menu Bar" etc. I also so have
a toolbar called "Alignment and Sizing". When I select it will appear
in my Access Window and I can dock it or move it around just like any
other menu. It is grayed out and I can't use it even when I select
several objects in Design View. This is the same for me on both
Access 2002 and Access 2003. I'm not real sure which version of MS
Office these apps came from but I kong that I don't have Office
Developer. So this feature should be standard.

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:31:35 GMT, Salad <oil@vinegar.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>N. Graves wrote:[color=green]
>> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
>> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
>> out. What am I missing.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> N. Graves[/color]
>
>What version are you using? In A97, I don't see them. I could not find
>the Size options (widest/narrowist, shortest/tallest) but the
>left/right/top/bottom I could.
>
>I selected View/Customize, selected the toolbar FormDesign, selected
>Commands, and then dragged the Left/Right/Top/Bottom buttons onto it.
>Works fine for me. Is that what you are referring to? I wish I could
>find the Size buttons tho.[/color]

I just saw this post. That answer is not the one I was hoping for but
still it makes since. Thank you for your efforts.


On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:54:48 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>OK, I finally got out the toolbar and looked at it myself.
>It behaves exactly as you describe.
>
>A little more research shows that it is intended to be used with Data Access
>Pages, not regular forms.
>So I guess you're stuck with either
> using the Format Menu items (I know, more clicks), or
> importing your custom toolbar into new databases.
>Unless, of course, you're an advanced enough programmer to write your own
>Add-In. <g>
>
>Sorry I couldn't be more help...
> - Turtle
>
>
>"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:32n8d0dbout5rfnon117fvd6bpal0k79hp@4ax.com... [color=green]
>>
>> Yes, I could not select more than one field if I was not in Design
>> View.
>>
>> I think I have checked all the obvious things and I have tried on
>> several PC's too. PCs in a restricted domain and PCs in workgroups.
>> With Administrator access to all.
>>
>> I'm think that there must be a option that is not turned on or maybe
>> this built in toolbar is for reports. If I build a custom toolbar
>> with the Alignment buttons they will work fine, but don't want to
>> create toolbars every time I create a new database.
>>
>> Thank you for taking time to help me.
>>
>> N. Graves
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:47:53 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Is your form in Design View?
>> >
>> >"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:nhc7d0la2j1e2j803r6k0b3sus7vg3qi10@4ax.com...
>> >> Yes, and these buttons will still not enable.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:50:36 GMT, "MacDermott" <macdermott@nospam.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Have you selected the items you want to align or size?
>> >> >
>> >> > - Turtle
>> >> >
>> >> >"N. Graves" <ngraves@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:hr86d09m8toacad65jqi1uti1uiaeplr1m@4ax.com...
>> >> >> I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
>> >> >> use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay[/color][/color]
>grayed[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> >> out. What am I missing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> N. Graves
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

N. Graves wrote:[color=blue]
> Hey Salad thanks again for sharing your knowledge!
>
> Your exactly correct I did not see the size buttons either but that is
> not my issue. When I open up my toolbars from the view menu I have
> several choices like "Database", "Web", Menu Bar" etc. I also so have
> a toolbar called "Alignment and Sizing". When I select it will appear
> in my Access Window and I can dock it or move it around just like any
> other menu. It is grayed out and I can't use it even when I select
> several objects in Design View. This is the same for me on both
> Access 2002 and Access 2003. I'm not real sure which version of MS
> Office these apps came from but I kong that I don't have Office
> Developer. So this feature should be standard.[/color]

So did you add those commands to the menu for FormDesign instead? One
never knows if something was created at the MS factory simply to
frustrate the developers out there. If I can add them to my standard
FormDesign toolbar, I assume you can do the same in the new versions and
if they work, ignore the one that doesn't.


[color=blue]
>
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:31:35 GMT, Salad <oil@vinegar.com> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>N. Graves wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
>>>use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
>>>out. What am I missing.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>N. Graves[/color]
>>
>>What version are you using? In A97, I don't see them. I could not find
>>the Size options (widest/narrowist, shortest/tallest) but the
>>left/right/top/bottom I could.
>>
>>I selected View/Customize, selected the toolbar FormDesign, selected
>>Commands, and then dragged the Left/Right/Top/Bottom buttons onto it.
>>Works fine for me. Is that what you are referring to? I wish I could
>>find the Size buttons tho.[/color]
>
>[/color]

Here is a note that Macdermott posted about this issue:

"OK, I finally got out the toolbar and looked at it myself.
It behaves exactly as you describe.

A little more research shows that it is intended to be used with Data
Access
Pages, not regular forms.
So I guess you're stuck with either
using the Format Menu items (I know, more clicks), or
importing your custom toolbar into new databases.
Unless, of course, you're an advanced enough programmer to write your
own
Add-In. <g>

Sorry I couldn't be more help...
- Turtle"

Do you know how modify the normal template for Access so these buttons
will be available all the time?





On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:14:31 GMT, Salad <oil@vinegar.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>N. Graves wrote:[color=green]
>> Hey Salad thanks again for sharing your knowledge!
>>
>> Your exactly correct I did not see the size buttons either but that is
>> not my issue. When I open up my toolbars from the view menu I have
>> several choices like "Database", "Web", Menu Bar" etc. I also so have
>> a toolbar called "Alignment and Sizing". When I select it will appear
>> in my Access Window and I can dock it or move it around just like any
>> other menu. It is grayed out and I can't use it even when I select
>> several objects in Design View. This is the same for me on both
>> Access 2002 and Access 2003. I'm not real sure which version of MS
>> Office these apps came from but I kong that I don't have Office
>> Developer. So this feature should be standard.[/color]
>
>So did you add those commands to the menu for FormDesign instead? One
>never knows if something was created at the MS factory simply to
>frustrate the developers out there. If I can add them to my standard
>FormDesign toolbar, I assume you can do the same in the new versions and
>if they work, ignore the one that doesn't.
>
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:31:35 GMT, Salad <oil@vinegar.com> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>N. Graves wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have checked the "Alignment and Sizing" toolbar but when I want to
>>>>use in on aligning several form object the toolbar buttons stay grayed
>>>>out. What am I missing.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>N. Graves
>>>
>>>What version are you using? In A97, I don't see them. I could not find
>>>the Size options (widest/narrowist, shortest/tallest) but the
>>>left/right/top/bottom I could.
>>>
>>>I selected View/Customize, selected the toolbar FormDesign, selected
>>>Commands, and then dragged the Left/Right/Top/Bottom buttons onto it.
>>>Works fine for me. Is that what you are referring to? I wish I could
>>>find the Size buttons tho.[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

N. Graves wrote:[color=blue]
> Here is a note that Macdermott posted about this issue:
>
> "OK, I finally got out the toolbar and looked at it myself.
> It behaves exactly as you describe.
>
> A little more research shows that it is intended to be used with Data
> Access
> Pages, not regular forms.
> So I guess you're stuck with either
> using the Format Menu items (I know, more clicks), or
> importing your custom toolbar into new databases.
> Unless, of course, you're an advanced enough programmer to write your
> own
> Add-In. <g>
>
> Sorry I couldn't be more help...
> - Turtle"
>
> Do you know how modify the normal template for Access so these buttons
> will be available all the time?
>[/color]

Since the FormDesign toolbar is always available to me when I am
designing a form, I click View/Customize, select/check FormDesign,
click Commands tab, slide down the command list to Forms/Report Design,
and drag the menu items I want to add to the FormsDesign toolbar.

If later on you want to remove them you simply do a View/Customize,
select/check FormDesign and press Reset.