Hi Group...

<a name="#top"></a>

----del----

----del----

<img SRC="images/top.gif" USEMAP="#top" BORDER=0>
<map NAME="top">
<area SHAPE=RECT COORDS="2,1,33,15" HREF="#top" ALT=""
OnMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
OnMouseOver="window.status='';
return true">
<area SHAPE=default HREF="#top">
</map>

Why does the code above work with: (all current versions)

IE
Netscape
Firefox

But not with Opera?



Gufus

.... Why glue my bills together? It's a mail bonding ritual.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:35:40 GMT, NOSPAM.gbbsg@shaw.ca (Gufus) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Hi Group...
>
><a name="#top"></a>
>
>----del----
>
>----del----
>
><img SRC="images/top.gif" USEMAP="#top" BORDER=0>
><map NAME="top">
><area SHAPE=RECT COORDS="2,1,33,15" HREF="#top" ALT=""
>OnMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
>OnMouseOver="window.status='';
>return true">
><area SHAPE=default HREF="#top">
></map>
>
>Why does the code above work with: (all current versions)
>
>IE
>Netscape
>Firefox
>
>But not with Opera?
>
>
>
> Gufus
>
>... Why glue my bills together? It's a mail bonding ritual.[/color]

I don't know, but I'll bet a nickel it will work in Opera
if you make it:

<a name="#top">&nbsp;</a> or anything else as marker.

Mason C

Gufus wrote:[color=blue]
> <a name="#top"></a>[/color]

<a name="top">&nbsp;</a>

you only use "#" for the link (i.e. <a href="#top">) also you don't
have to use the a tag you could use any tag.

<div id="wrapper">....blah...<a href="#wrapper">TOP</a></div>

NOSPAM.gbbsg@shaw.ca (Gufus) wrote:
[color=blue]
><a name="#top"></a>
>
>Why does the code above work with: (all current versions)
>
>IE
>Netscape
>Firefox
>
>But not with Opera?[/color]

Because of your faulty code, use <a name="top"></a>

--
Spartanicus

NOSPAM.gbbsg@shaw.ca (Gufus) wrote:
[color=blue]
> <a name="#top"></a>[/color]
- -[color=blue]
> <img SRC="images/top.gif" USEMAP="#top" BORDER=0>
> <map NAME="top">
> <area SHAPE=RECT COORDS="2,1,33,15" HREF="#top" ALT=""
> OnMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
> OnMouseOver="window.status='';
> return true">
> <area SHAPE=default HREF="#top">
> </map>
>
> Why does the code above work with: (all current versions)[/color]

It doesn't. Saying so just tells you didn't test properly.
What would happen when you turn images off? Besides, there's no
point in what it "does". You have a completely useless and contrived link
to the start of a page.

On the technical side, if you make the obvious fix from name="#top" to
name="top", you create yet another problem: you would both an <a> element
with name="top" and a <map> element with name="top". Although this does not
seem to violate any specific requirement, it is illogical and takes an
unnecessary risk - browsers could get confused, and it is easy to avoid
this by inventing another name.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

Hi Mason,

Saturday August 20 2005, Mason A. Clark writes to Gufus:


Nope... sorry, I gave it a marker to go too and still broken with
Opera, I did
notice it does now go to the top of the page better. <smile>

Works with (IE, Netscape, Firefox) but still not with Opera. :(


[color=blue]
> From: masoncERASETHIS@ix.netcom.com[/color]
[color=blue]
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:35:40 GMT, NOSPAM.gbbsg@shaw.ca
> (Gufus) wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Hi Group...
>>
>> <a name="#top"></a>
>>
>> -+--del-+--
>>
>> -+--del-+--
>>
>> <img SRC="images/top.gif" USEMAP="#top" BORDER=0>
>> <map NAME="top">
>> <area SHAPE=RECT COORDS="2,1,33,15" HREF="#top" ALT=""
>> OnMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
>> OnMouseOver="window.status='';
>> return true">
>> <area SHAPE=default HREF="#top">
>> </map>
>>
>> Why does the code above work with: (all current versions)
>>
>> IE
>> Netscape
>> Firefox
>>
>> But not with Opera?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gufus
>>
>> ... Why glue my bills together? It's a mail bonding
>> ritual.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I don't know, but I'll bet a nickel it will work in Opera
> if you make it:[/color]
[color=blue]
> <a name="#top">&nbsp;</a> or anything else as marker.[/color]
[color=blue]
> Mason C[/color]
[color=blue]
> -+- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
> + Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
> (1:134/77.10)[/color]

Gufus

.... I Think Therefore I Am ... a programmer.

Friday August 19 2005, logic_earth writes to Gufus:

Nope still broken with Opera, but IE, Netscape and Firefox works, this
is the
code I'm still using.

<a name="#top">&nbsp;</a>

---webpage---
---webpage---

<img SRC="images/top.gif" USEMAP="#top" BORDER=0>
<map NAME="#top">
<area SHAPE=RECT COORDS="2,1,33,15" HREF="#top" ALT=""
OnMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
OnMouseOver="window.status=''; return true">
<area SHAPE=default HREF="#top">
</map>

Any more ideas?

[color=blue]
> From: logicearth@gmail.com[/color]
[color=blue]
> Gufus wrote:[color=green]
>> <a name="#top"></a>[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> <a name="top">&nbsp;</a>[/color]
[color=blue]
> you only use "#" for the link (i.e. <a href="#top">) also
> you don't have to use the a tag you could use any tag.[/color]
[color=blue]
> <div id="wrapper">....blah...<a
> href="#wrapper">TOP</a></div>[/color]
[color=blue]
> -+- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
> + Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
> (1:134/77.10)[/color]

Gufus

.... Gold's Law: If the shoe fits, it's ugly.

Hi Jukka,

Saturday August 20 2005, Jukka K. Korpela writes to Gufus:
[color=blue]
> From: jkorpela@cs.tut.fi[/color]
[color=blue]
> It doesn't. Saying so just tells you didn't test properly.
> What would happen when you turn images off? Besides, there's
> no point in what it "does". You have a completely useless
> and contrived link to the start of a page.[/color]

Okay.

[color=blue]
> On the technical side, if you make the obvious fix from
> name="#top" to name="top", you create yet another problem:[/color]

Sorry still won't work with Opera, and if I change the code to this, IE
and
Opera stoped working. :(

<a name="top">&nbsp;</a>

--webpage--
--webpage--

<img SRC="images/top.gif" USEMAP="#top" BORDER=0>
<map NAME="#top">
<area SHAPE=RECT COORDS="2,1,33,15" HREF="top" ALT=""
OnMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
OnMouseOver="window.status=''; return true">
<area SHAPE=default HREF="top">
</map>


Ideas?


[color=blue]
> you would both an <a> element with name="top" and a <map>
> element with name="top". Although this does not seem to
> violate any specific requirement, it is illogical and takes
> an unnecessary risk - browsers could get confused, and it is
> easy to avoid this by inventing another name.[/color]
[color=blue]
> --
> Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
> Pages about Web authoring:
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html[/color]
[color=blue]
> -+- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
> + Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
> (1:134/77.10)[/color]

Gufus

.... The ultimate Law: All general statements are false.

Gufus wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi Jukka,
>
> Saturday August 20 2005, Jukka K. Korpela writes to Gufus:
>[color=green]
> > From: jkorpela@cs.tut.fi[/color]
>[color=green]
> > It doesn't. Saying so just tells you didn't test properly.
> > What would happen when you turn images off? Besides, there's
> > no point in what it "does". You have a completely useless
> > and contrived link to the start of a page.[/color]
>
> Okay.
>[color=green]
> > On the technical side, if you make the obvious fix from
> > name="#top" to name="top", you create yet another problem:[/color]
>
> Sorry still won't work with Opera, and if I change the code to this, IE
> and
> Opera stoped working. :([/color]

You changed it from one piece of bad code to another. How about NOT
putting a # sign in ANY of the NAME attributes, where it doesn't belong?
The # isn't part of the name, it's a marker used in a URL to indicate
that whatever follows it is a reference to something within the current
page. The # itself isn't part of that reference.
[color=blue]
>
> <a name="top">&nbsp;</a>
>
> --webpage--
> --webpage--
>
> <img SRC="images/top.gif" USEMAP="#top" BORDER=0>
> <map NAME="#top">
> <area SHAPE=RECT COORDS="2,1,33,15" HREF="top" ALT=""
> OnMouseOut="window.status=''; return true"
> OnMouseOver="window.status=''; return true">
> <area SHAPE=default HREF="top">
> </map>
>[/color]

Hi Harlan,

Saturday August 20 2005, Harlan Messinger writes to Gufus:[color=blue]
> From: hmessinger.removethis@comcast.net[/color]
[color=blue]
> You changed it from one piece of bad code to another. How
> about NOT putting a # sign in ANY of the NAME attributes,[/color]

Tryed that, still wouldn't work in Opera. What about the [map]?

IE, Netscape nd Firefox still works.

Want to look at my code?

http://www.gypsy-designs.com/faq.html

Gufus

.... If it walks out of your refrigerator, LET IT GO !!

NOSPAM.gbbsg@shaw.ca (Gufus) wrote:
[color=blue]
> Want to look at my code?[/color]

Yes, we love to see the real problem.
[color=blue]
> http://www.gypsy-designs.com/faq.html[/color]

You're using <map NAME="#top"> contrary to the advice you got in the
message that you commented on.

Short answer: Remove the completely useless imitation of a link to the
start of the document. Many problems solved.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

Gufus wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > You changed it from one piece of bad code to another. How
> > about NOT putting a # sign in ANY of the NAME attributes,[/color]
>
> Tryed that, still wouldn't work in Opera.
>[/color]
No, you did not. Use the search and replace function of your editor.[color=blue]
>
> http://www.gypsy-designs.com/faq.html
>[/color]
You are assigning 12 objects with the same name: #top. How would you
expect a browser to sort out which one you are referencing? IE and Firefox
choose the first; Opera chooses the nearest.
And what is with that bizarre use of a <map>? What is wrong with <a
href="#top">?

--
jmm dash list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
(Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)

Hi Jukka,
[color=blue]
> From: jkorpela@cs.tut.fi[/color]
[color=blue]
> Yes, we love to see the real problem.[/color]

So... pretty shitty programing hu...
[color=blue]
> Short answer: Remove the completely useless imitation of a
> link to the start of the document. Many problems solved.[/color]

Thats what I'm going to do (del .* <a name="top"></a>) crap.

Thanks for the advice, it worked in IE, Netscape and
Firefox, just not Opera.

Gufus

.... Features should be discovered, not documented

Hi Jim,
[color=blue]
> From: jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@sohnen-moe.com[/color]
[color=blue]
> No, you did not. Use the search and replace function of
> your editor.[/color]

Yes... I know how to search and replace. Just didn't understand
what was wrong with my code. :)
[color=blue]
> You are assigning 12 objects with the same name: #top.
> How would you expect a browser to sort out which one you are
> referencing?[/color]

Okay, understand, makes sense.
[color=blue]
> IE and Firefox choose the first; Opera chooses
> the nearest.[/color]

Understood.
[color=blue]
> And what is with that bizarre use of a <map>? What is
> wrong with <a href="#top">?[/color]

Just the way I decided to write this part of the code. Alright
I understand the <a href="#top"> code, so the ten thousand dollar
question, how would you code this?

Like show me. :)

For now I took Mr.Korpela advice and did a del.* for this code.

Gufus

.... Skydiving! Good till the last drop...

Hi Jim,

Sunday August 21 2005, Jim Moe writes to Gufus:

BTY... You've given the best answer. (so far)

[color=blue]
> From: jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@sohnen-moe.com[/color]
[color=blue]
> Gufus wrote:[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > You changed it from one piece of bad code to another.
>> > How about NOT putting a # sign in ANY of the NAME
>> > attributes,[/color]
>>
>> Tryed that, still wouldn't work in Opera.
>>[/color]
> No, you did not. Use the search and replace function of
> your editor.[color=green]
>>
>> http://www.gypsy-designs.com/faq.html
>>[/color]
> You are assigning 12 objects with the same name: #top.
> How would you expect a browser to sort out which one you are
> referencing? IE and Firefox choose the first; Opera chooses
> the nearest.
> And what is with that bizarre use of a <map>? What is
> wrong with <a href="#top">?[/color]
[color=blue]
> --
> jmm dash list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
> (Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)[/color]
[color=blue]
> -+- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
> + Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
> (1:134/77.10)[/color]

Gufus

.... ... No Glove. No Love jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@sohnen-moe.com

Gufus wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I understand the <a href="#top"> code, so the ten thousand dollar
> question, how would you code this?
>
> Like show me. :)
>[/color]
Dude:
At the "top" of your document:
<a name="the_top_of_doc"></a>

Wherever you want to link to the "top":
<a href="#the_top_of_doc"><img ...></a>

Like, need the address to send the $10,000?

--
jmm dash list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
(Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)

> From: jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@sohnen-moe.com
[color=blue]
> Like, need the address to send the $10,000?[/color]

Yep... do you accept personal checks?

Thanks for the help Jim.

Gufus

.... When in Doubt, Shroud your Spout jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@sohnen-moe.com