Transitional//EN

#1 August 1st, 2005, 01:35 PM

Hi,

Does,

Transitional//FR exists?

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

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#2 August 1st, 2005, 01:45 PM

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:28:20 -0400, Jean Pierre Daviau <Once@WasEno.ugh> wrote:
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> Does,
>
> Transitional//FR exists?
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>[/color]

<http://www.google.com/search?q=%22-%2F%2FW3C%2F%2FDTD+HTML+4.0+Transitional%2F%2FFR%2 2>

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#3 August 1st, 2005, 01:45 PM

Like this one to?

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//FR"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="fr-CA" lang="fr-CA">

#4 August 1st, 2005, 01:55 PM

"Jean Pierre Daviau" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> Does,
>
> Transitional//FR exists?
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">[/color]

No.

If you want to declare your page as being in French, put this on the line
following your doctype:

<HTML lang="fr">

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#5 August 1st, 2005, 02:05 PM

Jean Pierre Daviau <Once@WasEno.ugh> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Does,
>
> Transitional//FR exists?
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">[/color]

The EN stands for the language used in the DTD

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#6 August 1st, 2005, 06:55 PM

Jean Pierre Daviau wrote:
[color=blue]
> Like this one to?[/color]
[color=blue]
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//FR"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">[/color]

Equally wrong. The EN means that the comments in the DTD are in English, and
the comments in http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd are not
in French.

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#7 August 1st, 2005, 09:55 PM

Barbara de Zoete wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:28:20 -0400, Jean Pierre Daviau <Once@WasEno.ugh>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Does,
>>
>> Transitional//FR exists?
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>[/color]
>
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=%22-%...DTD+HTML+4.0+\
> Transitional%2F%2FFR%22>
>[/color]

It does not imply the existance of something, if people write or talk about
it...

This is a public ID - a unique identifier - for a certain DTD. "-//W3C//DTD
HTML 4.0 Transitional//FR" (if it would exist) would be a different DTD
that claims to be crafted by the w3c. So limiting your search to
'site:www.w3.org' (assuming that the w3c would mention it somewhere on
their website, if it existed) gives you the correct answer: No, it does not
exist.

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#8 August 2nd, 2005, 08:45 AM

Philip Ronan wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>>Does,
>>
>>Transitional//FR exists?
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">[/color]
>
> No.
>
> If you want to declare your page as being in French, put this on the line
> following your doctype:
>
> <HTML lang="fr">[/color]

Yes
Furthermore, there is an excellent article about how declaring language
ina page here :
http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/

#9 August 2nd, 2005, 09:05 PM

Thanks

That's pretty clear.

#10 August 10th, 2005, 12:55 AM

Benjamin Niemann wrote:
[color=blue]
> This is a public ID - a unique identifier - for a certain DTD.
> "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//FR" (if it would exist) would be a
> different DTD that claims to be crafted by the w3c. So limiting your
> search to 'site:www.w3.org' (assuming that the w3c would mention it
> somewhere on their website, if it existed) gives you the correct answer:
> No, it does not exist.[/color]

Strictly speaking, it's the owner of the Formal Public Identifier who is
making the assertions implicit in the FPI. There is nothing in ISO 9070
to stop someone asserting by implication that the W3C is responsible for a
French-language version of the XHTML DTD, because the W3C never bothered to
register under ISO 9070 (that's the -//W3C bit rather than +//W3C) so they
are in no position to defend themselves :-)

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#11 August 10th, 2005, 12:55 AM

David Dorward wrote:
[color=blue]
> Jean Pierre Daviau wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Like this one to?[/color]
>[color=green]
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//FR"
>> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">[/color]
>
> Equally wrong. The EN means that the comments in the DTD are in English,
> and the comments in http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd are
> not in French.[/color]

Close. The Public Text Language indicator of ISO 9070 (which is what Formal
Public Identifiers are) refers to "the natural language used in the public
text". Note 2 to Production 88 of ISO 8879 (SGML) says that "The portions of
the text most likely to be influenced by a natural language include the
data, defined names, and comments." So it's markup (element type names,
token list attribute values, FIXED values, and character entity names) as
well as comments.

But yes, there is no French-markup version of HTML or XHTML that I have ever
seen, although there is no reason why not: the relevant CSS could do exactly
the same job regardless of the element type names.

See the example of Klingon marked up in Quenya at
http://research.silmaril.ie/xml/sonnet18-epcedit.png and
http://research.silmaril.ie/xml/sonnet18.pdf :-)

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#12 August 10th, 2005, 08:15 PM

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:51:20 +0100, Peter Flynn
<peter.no-sp@m.silmaril.ie> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Benjamin Niemann wrote:
>[color=green]
>> This is a public ID - a unique identifier - for a certain DTD.
>> "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//FR" (if it would exist) would be a
>> different DTD that claims to be crafted by the w3c...[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>Strictly speaking, it's the owner of the Formal Public Identifier who is
>making the assertions implicit in the FPI. There is nothing in ISO 9070
>to stop someone asserting by implication that the W3C is responsible for a
>French-language version of the XHTML DTD, because the W3C never bothered to
>register under ISO 9070 (that's the -//W3C bit rather than +//W3C) so they
>are in no position to defend themselves :-)[/color]

And as far as I know; today it's not possible to register public text
under ISO 9070 since no one seem to be taking care of the formal
registration process.

Last time I looked I found less than a dozen names in what was supposed
to be the registry at that time, some branches of the US Defense
Organization, a few companies and only two names that I know of from
other areas of Internet; Peter Flynn and Liam Quinn :)

+//PF seems to be defendable maybe?
(replace 'PF' with whatever you do use in reality)

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#13 August 10th, 2005, 11:05 PM

Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:
[color=blue]
> And as far as I know; today it's not possible to register public text
> under ISO 9070 since no one seem to be taking care of the formal
> registration process.[/color]

It used to be the Graphic Communications Association (now called
Idealliance) but they never did much about it. Silly really.
[color=blue]
> Last time I looked I found less than a dozen names in what was supposed
> to be the registry at that time, some branches of the US Defense
> Organization, a few companies and only two names that I know of from
> other areas of Internet; Peter Flynn and Liam Quinn :)[/color]

Yep. Entitles me to use a + sign :-)
[color=blue]
> +//PF seems to be defendable maybe?
> (replace 'PF' with whatever you do use in reality)[/color]

Actually it's my company that's registered, so +//Silmaril//... is valid.

///Peter
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