Hello all,

I just discovered this NG, so you'll probably be getting some questions
that have been brewing inside me for a while :>) I'm just an amateur
who enjoys making websites. I use FrontPage (please don't kill me!) to
do a lot of my web design. Lately, though, I've been doing more CSS
based stuff and more manaul coding. Here's my latest question that's
been brewing:

I'd like to use FrontPage's "Auto Thumbnail" utility, but it has one
weakness that drives me nuts: when you click on a thumbnailed image,
the bigger image shows up in a window that has a white background and
it is always oriented top-left.

Unfortunately, the sites that I want to use this for will have black or
colored backrounds and, to me, it doesn't look good when you have a
plain white back ground in one frame and the other frame is colored.

Is there a way I can use HTML commands (or any commands) to set the
background properties and orient the picture in the new window?

I DON'T want to make a separate page for each image, there are too many
images...

Here's a sample of the FrontPage-generated HTML for an Auto-Thumbnailed
image:

<a href="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg">
<img border="1" src="images/waltham/Waltham14_small.jpg"
xthumbnail-orig-image="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg"></a>

When I click on the image, I want the full-sized image to pop up
top-center in a window with a black background. Can this be done?

Viken K.



P.S. If you want to see what I've done till now here are my sites:

www.sayatnova.com - This is the first site I ever made and am
continually trying to improve it.the Coding is all FrontPage generated,
with Javascript inserted by me.

http://home.comcast/net/~vikenk - this is my own site. I just
redesigned it. It's based almost entirely on CSS and manual coding.
This is my first attempt at making a site using mostly CSS.

www.abakadanceschool.com - Another site that I made. Deliberately
simple.

"Viken Karaguesian" <vikenk@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111180385.152998.94450@l41g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...[color=blue]
> Hello all,
>
> I just discovered this NG, so you'll probably be getting some questions
> that have been brewing inside me for a while :>) I'm just an amateur
> who enjoys making websites. I use FrontPage (please don't kill me!) to
> do a lot of my web design. Lately, though, I've been doing more CSS
> based stuff and more manaul coding. Here's my latest question that's
> been brewing:
>
> I'd like to use FrontPage's "Auto Thumbnail" utility, but it has one
> weakness that drives me nuts: when you click on a thumbnailed image,
> the bigger image shows up in a window that has a white background and
> it is always oriented top-left.
>
> Unfortunately, the sites that I want to use this for will have black or
> colored backrounds and, to me, it doesn't look good when you have a
> plain white back ground in one frame and the other frame is colored.
>
> Is there a way I can use HTML commands (or any commands) to set the
> background properties and orient the picture in the new window?
>
> I DON'T want to make a separate page for each image, there are too many
> images...
>
> Here's a sample of the FrontPage-generated HTML for an Auto-Thumbnailed
> image:
>
> <a href="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg">
> <img border="1" src="images/waltham/Waltham14_small.jpg"
> xthumbnail-orig-image="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg"></a>
>
> When I click on the image, I want the full-sized image to pop up
> top-center in a window with a black background. Can this be done?[/color]

I used JavaScript to do that and I did have to make a seperate page for
every image. You might want to ask this question in comp.lang.javascript I
don't claim to be an expert at it.
[color=blue]
> Viken K.
>
> P.S. If you want to see what I've done till now here are my sites:
>
> www.sayatnova.com - This is the first site I ever made and am
> continually trying to improve it.the Coding is all FrontPage generated,
> with Javascript inserted by me.
>
> http://home.comcast/net/~vikenk - this is my own site. I just
> redesigned it. It's based almost entirely on CSS and manual coding.
> This is my first attempt at making a site using mostly CSS.[/color]

Change the slash between comcast and net to a dot. ;-) I like the script for
the photo's that cause them to enlarge while the others disappear, is that
somthing that you did with FP?
[color=blue]
> www.abakadanceschool.com - Another site that I made. Deliberately
> simple.[/color]

I don't use FP but you might try the following add-in named Spawn:
http://www.jimcoaddins.com/addins.aspx
I found it in microsoft.public.frontpage.client You might ask your question
there too.
Good Luck,
me

You can't, and what's more any attempt to do so will probably break
your site for a significant number of people.

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/

> Change the slash between comcast and net to a dot. ;-) I like the script[color=blue]
> for
> the photo's that cause them to enlarge while the others disappear, is that
> somthing that you did with FP?[/color]

No. I don't know how to do Java yet, but I can figure out how to configure
an applet or JavaScript. I found it onlione and downloaded it.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> www.abakadanceschool.com - Another site that I made. Deliberately
>> simple.[/color]
>
> I don't use FP but you might try the following add-in named Spawn:
> http://www.jimcoaddins.com/addins.aspx
> I found it in microsoft.public.frontpage.client You might ask your
> question
> there too.
> Good Luck,
> me
>
>[/color]

Viken Karaguesian wrote:[color=blue]
> I use FrontPage (please don't kill me!)[/color]

We won't, but frontpage seems to be doing a good job of killing your
websites.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...net/%7Evikenk/
[color=blue]
> I'd like to use FrontPage's "Auto Thumbnail" utility, but it has one
> weakness that drives me nuts: when you click on a thumbnailed image,
> the bigger image shows up in a window that has a white background and
> it is always oriented top-left.[/color]

In Opera, the image is centered, but there is nothing you can do to
change it in any browser, without creating a new page that contains the
image and linking to it.
[color=blue]
> I DON'T want to make a separate page for each image, there are too many
> images...
> <a href="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg">
> <img border="1" src="images/waltham/Waltham14_small.jpg"
> xthumbnail-orig-image="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg"></a>[/color]

All that is doing, is linking directly to the image, so it is up to the
user agent to display it in whatever kind of window it likes, and in
whatever position it likes. However, what is that xthumbnail-orig-image
attribute doing there? That's not one I've ever seen before, so I guess
it's just another way FP is killing your site.
[color=blue]
> When I click on the image, I want the full-sized image to pop up
> top-center in a window with a black background. Can this be done?[/color]

Surely, you don't want a popup window, they're exceptionally irritating
for users, which is why popup blockers were invented!

The only way to get a black background, would be to create a page for
each image. However, there's no need to manually create each page, you
should be able to do it with server side processing using PHP or
whatever language your host supports. You could create a template page,
which automatically includes the correct image based on parameter in a
query string.

eg. if you link to a PHP page like this:
image.php?image=something.jpg
The PHP could automatically generate the page containing

<img src="something.jpg" alt="..." height="..." width="...">

The difficulty with that will be programmatically determining
appropriate alt text for each image, but there are ways to do it. You
would have to ask in a server side processing related group for more
information.

--
Lachlan Hunt
http://lachy.id.au/
http://GetFirefox.com/ Rediscover the Web
http://GetThunderbird.com/ Reclaim your Inbox

Thanks for the reply!

I'm sure that FrontPage's auto coding is quite....um.....proprietary :>)
When I first started, FrontPage made it easy because I could focus on
WYSIWIG design and not worry about coding. These days, though, I'm becoming
more interested in manual coding and learning how to script.


"Lachlan Hunt" <spam.my.gspot@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:423c0d80$0$10764$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...[color=blue]
> Viken Karaguesian wrote:[color=green]
>> I use FrontPage (please don't kill me!)[/color]
>
> We won't, but frontpage seems to be doing a good job of killing your
> websites.
> http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...net/%7Evikenk/
>[color=green]
>> I'd like to use FrontPage's "Auto Thumbnail" utility, but it has one
>> weakness that drives me nuts: when you click on a thumbnailed image,
>> the bigger image shows up in a window that has a white background and
>> it is always oriented top-left.[/color]
>
> In Opera, the image is centered, but there is nothing you can do to change
> it in any browser, without creating a new page that contains the image and
> linking to it.
>[color=green]
>> I DON'T want to make a separate page for each image, there are too many
>> images...
>> <a href="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg">
>> <img border="1" src="images/waltham/Waltham14_small.jpg"
>> xthumbnail-orig-image="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg"></a>[/color]
>
> All that is doing, is linking directly to the image, so it is up to the
> user agent to display it in whatever kind of window it likes, and in
> whatever position it likes. However, what is that xthumbnail-orig-image
> attribute doing there? That's not one I've ever seen before, so I guess
> it's just another way FP is killing your site.
>[color=green]
>> When I click on the image, I want the full-sized image to pop up
>> top-center in a window with a black background. Can this be done?[/color]
>
> Surely, you don't want a popup window, they're exceptionally irritating
> for users, which is why popup blockers were invented!
>
> The only way to get a black background, would be to create a page for each
> image. However, there's no need to manually create each page, you should
> be able to do it with server side processing using PHP or whatever
> language your host supports. You could create a template page, which
> automatically includes the correct image based on parameter in a query
> string.
>
> eg. if you link to a PHP page like this:
> image.php?image=something.jpg
> The PHP could automatically generate the page containing
>
> <img src="something.jpg" alt="..." height="..." width="...">
>
> The difficulty with that will be programmatically determining appropriate
> alt text for each image, but there are ways to do it. You would have to
> ask in a server side processing related group for more information.
>
> --
> Lachlan Hunt
> http://lachy.id.au/
> http://GetFirefox.com/ Rediscover the Web
> http://GetThunderbird.com/ Reclaim your Inbox[/color]

Viken Karaguesian wrote:[color=blue]
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> I'm sure that FrontPage's auto coding is quite....um.....proprietary :>)
> When I first started, FrontPage made it easy because I could focus on
> WYSIWIG design and not worry about coding. These days, though, I'm becoming
> more interested in manual coding and learning how to script.[/color]
Basic PHP is pretty easy to learn and is available on all platforms. If
you use XP Pro you can start an internet server right now and have PHP
running on localhost within an hour or two :)

"Lachlan Hunt" <spam.my.gspot@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:423c0d80$0$10764$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...[color=blue]
> Viken Karaguesian wrote:[color=green]
>> I use FrontPage (please don't kill me!)[/color]
>
> We won't, but frontpage seems to be doing a good job of killing your
> websites.
> http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...net/%7Evikenk/
>[color=green]
>> I DON'T want to make a separate page for each image, there are too many
>> images...
>> <a href="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg">
>> <img border="1" src="images/waltham/Waltham14_small.jpg"
>> xthumbnail-orig-image="images/waltham/Waltham14.jpg"></a>[/color]
>
> All that is doing, is linking directly to the image, so it is up to the
> user agent to display it in whatever kind of window it likes, and in
> whatever position it likes. However, what is that xthumbnail-orig-image
> attribute doing there? That's not one I've ever seen before, so I guess
> it's just another way FP is killing your site.
>[color=green]
>> When I click on the image, I want the full-sized image to pop up
>> top-center in a window with a black background. Can this be done?[/color]
>
> Surely, you don't want a popup window, they're exceptionally irritating
> for users, which is why popup blockers were invented!
>
> The only way to get a black background, would be to create a page for each
> image. However, there's no need to manually create each page, you should
> be able to do it with server side processing using PHP or whatever
> language your host supports. You could create a template page, which
> automatically includes the correct image based on parameter in a query
> string.
>
> eg. if you link to a PHP page like this:
> image.php?image=something.jpg
> The PHP could automatically generate the page containing
>
> <img src="something.jpg" alt="..." height="..." width="...">
>
> The difficulty with that will be programmatically determining appropriate
> alt text for each image, but there are ways to do it. You would have to
> ask in a server side processing related group for more information.
>
> --
> Lachlan Hunt
> http://lachy.id.au/
> http://GetFirefox.com/ Rediscover the Web
> http://GetThunderbird.com/ Reclaim your Inbox[/color]




Hi,

I'm new here, too. Been lurking.

Viken's pages look decent for a newbie & I give him/her credit for coding
with CSS. His sites aren't being "killed" just because they don't validate.
I was able to view them. Just make those changes, Viken, so they validate.

Also, pop-up advertisements are indeed irritating, but I like smallish
images as popups. I mean, I liked them on other sites, so I incorporate them
on my customers' sites. There's a world of difference between an unsolicited
pop-up advertisement & providing a link for your visitor to pop up an image.
It is a pain to create separate HTML files for each popup image, but you
have control over the size of the pop-up that way.

Since Viken wants large images, a separate HTML file for each is the way to
go. I just checked your site & you don't have THAT many images. (BTW, the
photos are quite nice:) Does Comcast let you create subdirectories? Doing
so would help you stay organized when creating all those HTML pages. Create
a folder for "Images," then, inside of that folder, put folders for
"Foliage" "People" etc.

If you get hundreds of photos, you may want to check out
http://www.shutterfly.com A customer of mine put his Sports Photography
images there.

Thanks,

Carla

> Hi,[color=blue]
>
> I'm new here, too. Been lurking.
>
> Viken's pages look decent for a newbie & I give him/her credit for coding
> with CSS. His sites aren't being "killed" just because they don't
> validate. I was able to view them. Just make those changes, Viken, so they
> validate.
>
> Also, pop-up advertisements are indeed irritating, but I like smallish
> images as popups. I mean, I liked them on other sites, so I incorporate
> them on my customers' sites. There's a world of difference between an
> unsolicited pop-up advertisement & providing a link for your visitor to
> pop up an image. It is a pain to create separate HTML files for each popup
> image, but you have control over the size of the pop-up that way.
>
> Since Viken wants large images, a separate HTML file for each is the way
> to go. I just checked your site & you don't have THAT many images. (BTW,
> the photos are quite nice:) Does Comcast let you create subdirectories?
> Doing so would help you stay organized when creating all those HTML pages.
> Create a folder for "Images," then, inside of that folder, put folders for
> "Foliage" "People" etc.
>
> If you get hundreds of photos, you may want to check out
> http://www.shutterfly.com A customer of mine put his Sports Photography
> images there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carla[/color]

Hi Carla,

Thanks for the compliments. As far as the pop-up images are concerned: It's
not so much my own site, but the other site that I run (www.sayatnova.com)
that has too many images. The pictures section of that site has at least 200
pictures already, and that would be too much of a pain in the ass to create
a separate html file for each picture. It would also add many more steps
when I create new galleries - arrange the pictures,create the thimbnails,
create the html pages for each picture, change each hyperlink. I'm looking
for quick-n-easy here :>)

I like Lachlan's idea about using server-side PHP script to create a
template page. Now, I only have to find out if our host supports PHP, then
I'll have to go and learn how to do it!

Viken.

P.S.: I'm a guy :>) I know it's hard to determine someones gender by
looking at a name you've never seen.

"Viken Karaguesian" <vikenk@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Op6dna7h-qIbHaDfRVn-iA@comcast.com...

<snip>

I'm looking[color=blue]
> for quick-n-easy here :>)
>
> I like Lachlan's idea about using server-side PHP script to create a
> template page. Now, I only have to find out if our host supports PHP, then
> I'll have to go and learn how to do it!
>
> Viken.[/color]

<snip>

Lachlan's idea is great. It just seemed a little advanced, but you appear up
to the challenge. Good luck!

Carla