[VACEPROGRAMER]

[b]Hi. I making a program who is don't let the system get down and protect from virus
It's controls a */dll and others files.

So if is posibly the programs run before the system is load
To start before the system is loadnig, you know when show the picture of Windows and the progressbar. By the way if you are using Vista(I use) it dont have picture of Vist it's have just a Progressbar

So if you know something abot that send me
DO YOU WANT TO GET IN MY TEAM
please REPORT

Vace

[YarrOfDoom]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gits

except of the eyecandy they could provide ...

Everybody that saw Vista knows that that is a bad idea.

[gits]

Quote:

Originally Posted by YarrOfDoom

Everybody that saw Vista knows that that is a bad idea.

as i said ... without serving a purpose it would be better to leave the rotating icons idea just make icons smooth and good looking in 2D ... i remember some ideas of 3D desktops that never made it to a real product ;) ... we all know that todays machines could handle a lot of such eyecandy stuff ... and without it you will never be successful with a new product may be an OS nor any other 'ugly' application ... no matter what features it will provide ... eyecandy is a must! ... the question is: how much is enough? ... when you find a good reason for 3D icons and you would implement it in a way that doesn't hurt performance too much ... then it would be an advantage ... since our life is 4D and may be you could create some intuitive or more natural feeling for the user with a 3D desktop ... but!!! ... we have learned already to use abstractions ... so there is no real need to make it more natural ... so it would be of great importance that a new OS would provide features that the others have not :) ... and! here we are back at the point that an OS is not the gui of it ... but its a great part that is responsible for its success ... since the gui provides access to the OS's functions ... take open darwin ;) ... apple wouldn't be successful without the slick and cool OSX aqua-gui that is on top of darwin :) ... and even the mac-machines are eyecandy itself :) but all of it with a max of usability ... and that is what makes it that cool ...

[Killer42]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gits

... and even the mac-machines are eyecandy itself :)

I have to agree, the Mac is eye-candy. Apple had a perfectly good line of computers going before they decided to create the Mac. But as far as the user interface is concerned, the difference was like going from DOS prompt to Windows 95.


EDIT: After reading that back, I want to say that I don't mean the Mac ruined Apple computers. The Mac replaced the existing Apple II line.

[gits]

... i don't know what was some years ago ... todays mac's are really competitive ... even in pricing and much more in its usability. i used an ibook G4 for some years and now a macbook ... and i even used some pc-notebooks ... and i would certainly say that using the macs is much preferable for me then the pc-notebooks:

- performance is the same or better - have a look here where we see that a macbook pro ironically was the fastest vista notebook
- batteries - i never had a pc-notebook that has a battery-cycle more then 3-4h - the macs always does that
- powercord - the mac poweradapter has nice little clips to wind the cord around and there is no mess when you carry it with you ...
- always good displays
- nice and easy and robust OS ... with some little things you don't want to miss when you once had it :) ...

but i think it is always up to the user ... i like todays macs ... but i know people who said they hate it ;) ... and of course ... one point to mention: apple makes some strange decisions with software policies, copyrights, patents etc. ... but anyway :) i like them ... and you may throw a rock on me for that :D ...

kind regards

ps: ahhh and who doesn't find that new macbook air quite smart?

[daniel aristidou]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gits

:) don't blame me for that ... it was just a quick idea since rotating icons seems to be useless in case they don't fullfill any other purpose than wasting resources so I thought they could have a purpose ;P ... except of the eyecandy they could provide ...

Sorry gits...didnt mean to put you off.. i also though it was a good idea....just thought we should establish someone for the graphics....

[gits]

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel aristidou

Sorry gits...didnt mean to put you off.. i also though it was a good idea....just thought we should establish someone for the graphics....

... i know :) ... i was just kidding ...

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK!!!! I wouldn't say that again "GAYS" , from now I'll say guys. You know i have little problems whit my English.So what about the new OS

Vace

[VACEPROGRAMER]

So where are you people. It's saturday and i don't think you have a inportant job to do

/*VACE*/

[VACEPROGRAMER]

By the way , I don't know that you RedSon are and C++ programer. Excelent , will need you for the new OS , do you want to get in my team???

*VACE*

[VACEPROGRAMER]

So about WINE. Why you don't like to send me. In our country 98 % of the all CD's are illegal(pirateries). So i have more than 200 cd's taht are illegal and don't have a licence. We use a carcks , keygens and other. My originaly CD's are just my Drivers for the computer , but i have some illegal. I start to collect drivers for computer and i plan to collect all the drivers i can. Why ??? Because when i'm reparing the computers (I reinstal computer to people for a free) I don't need the internet to download or If the people don't have the driver CD (When you buy computer they give the the drivers cd).

*VACE*

[YarrOfDoom]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

So about WINE. Why you don't like to send me. In our country 98 % of the all CD's are illegal(pirateries). So i have more than 200 cd's taht are illegal and don't have a licence. We use a carcks , keygens and other. My originaly CD's are just my Drivers for the computer , but i have some illegal. I start to collect drivers for computer and i plan to collect all the drivers i can. Why ??? Because when i'm reparing the computers (I reinstal computer to people for a free) I don't need the internet to download or If the people don't have the driver CD (When you buy computer they give the the drivers cd).

*VACE*

Because you can't just install wine from a cd (hmmm, maybe I should count how many times that is said already). If you don't believe it, go see for yourself.(click the distro for what you want the instructions)

[Killer42]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

So about WINE. Why you don't like to send me. In our country 98 % of the all CD's are illegal(pirateries). So i have more than 200 cd's taht are illegal and don't have a licence...

That fact that criminals are common in your country doesn't make it something to be proud of.

[daniel aristidou]

Its also not something to publicize

[VACEPROGRAMER]

I'n not proud , I'm shy of it. I just way to grow up ant to get out of my county away (of my garbage).


*VACE*

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Where are you guys !!! Have someone good links for Kernel . . . ????

*VACE*

[RedSon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

Where are you guys !!! Have someone good links for Kernel . . . ????

*VACE*

http://www.kernel.org

[hotpocket713]

You've been Dugg:

http://digg.com/comedy/VACE_needs_help_making_an_OS

Thanks for the thread.

[RedSon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotpocket713

You've been Dugg:

http://digg.com/comedy/VACE_needs_help_making_an_OS

Thanks for the thread.

Finally, someone who is taking this thread seriously!! Dugg!

[hdanw]

I will explain what your problem is going to be.

VB runs msil code, that is it requires that you have your os installed already to run.

You need to compile in Machine code. with something powerfull like c, c++, but not as slow as VB.

OR

you can wrap up linux and call it your own.

It sounds to me like what you want is a new "explorer" not a whole new OS.

consider that all of your file access routines are calling winodows routines to complete there file operations. Now, remove windows.

Your first stop should be Intels Developer Center. They have compilers that don't use windows routines. And they have software you can use to directly implement the Multi tasking Windows is doing now. It was never microsofts thing, it was Always Intels thing.

When you find out how much power you have using the protection registers that Microsoft hides from you now, you are likely to mess yourself. Have some paper towels close by.

When you 80 years old, and still havn't fixed everything the way you wanted, and you look back on your life wondering why you weren't satisfied using microsoft crap, don't say that I said it couldn't be done. Say that I warned you.

[debasisdas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedSon

Finally, someone who is taking this thread seriously!! Dugg!

.......and the category is comedy

[YarrOfDoom]

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdanw

VB runs msil code, that is it requires that you have your os installed already to run.

You haven't read the whole thread did you? Especially the posts about C++. But I must say that the things about intel were usefull, if this OS is ever going to get somewhere.

[hdanw]

I DID go to colege. I kant spell for shore.


But I did take a little class called compilers. I know what it intails. I now what is required just to start up a computer.

The world already has it.

My bigest disappointment, was that C & R, BSD, unix, etc being freeware, had no companies on the floor of congress pushing sales. That and only that made microsoft #1.

There is no way 300 million could spend the kind of money microsoft made without the US gov takeing it out of my check. Federal offices, state offices, etc.

Thats my Tax money bills livin large on.

I think the world would be a better place if Unix had marketing department. It would generate more revenue if [size=2]B. W. Kernighan and D. M. Ritchie were selling copies of crap that didn't work every 2-3 years and built it into an impire.[/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]It would be "SBC, Yahoo, att, K&D". :)[/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]No I wont purchase a copy of a OS that was invented by someone who doesn't even have MY education. Or the undersstanding of how a compiler works, or how programs he uses every day are linked. [/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]I wont even use it for Free.[/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]But I'm not going to say It can't be completed. By all means go for it.[/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]I'm going to build a computer with 16 octi-core zanthium chips. Making them up in my back yard. Maybe you could get it to run on that. I'll be shipping it with a holographic projection display that fills the whole room and turns your office into a virtual paradise. It'll come with a Scent machine that has digital reproduction of up to 148 different smells. Plus, you wont need a mouse or keyboard, becuase it'll read your thoughts and do what you want immediately.[/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]IT's Instant ON too.[/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]Now who's Better at Dreaming ![/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]You don't have the skills, the money, or the man power.[/size]
[size=2][/size]
[size=2]Go for it![/size]

[Killer42]

Shame about all the [size=2] nonsense. where does that come from? Am I browsing wrong or something?

Also, I'm interested in your home-built PC. When do you think it will be available with support for the full range of scents? I've tried making my own, but I'm getting old and my hands just aren't steady enough to place those 2nm wires properly. Those damned electrons keep ending up all over the floor, and take forever to pick up. (Here's a tip, though - a magnet helps. Take it from me, you don't want to use a vacuum cleaner - ouch!).

Oh, and about knowing what is required to start a computer up. I wonder how many people these days have any idea why it is (or at least was) referred to as "booting". That's probably why MS refer to it as "starting up" or "restarting" - they got tired of trying to explain it.

For any who may be wondering, no, it has nothing to do with kicking the computer. :) Well, not directly, anyway.

[hdanw]

Dont know.

I think when I selected Enrighed content from the control panel it started putting that stuff in.

I'll switch it back.

--
2nm wires

Actually I was looking into Growing them from protiens. But you have a point, they may need to be isolated from the driver circuitry. (...)

In 1994 I came up with the idea of Sound modulation amplification, beyond the hearing range. It works like projection holography to put sounds at specific points in the room. By using a series of high frequency speakers, distinct frequencies converge at specific points and create new lower frequencies within the hearing range. Its not so hard to calculate by reversing the Fourier Series:

F(x) = A0 + A1*Cos(x) + A2*Cos(2X) + A3*Cos(3X) + ...
+ B1*Sin(x) + B2*Sin(2X) + B3*Sin(3X)+ ...

And now that the Technical Securities Division is knocking ...

I was thinking maybe use a gig to manage some programs, and keep all of the user data, (ie:Documents and seting), in the subconscience of the user. That way when someone went over to there friends house, all of there personal data is right there.


-- In all seriousness, I owned a 386 before grass was green. I used to have to "boot" it all the time. The engineers told me that when it gets hot the case stored an excess of electrons. When the drive stopped spinning, the electrons Created a Static field effect that would keep the drive from spinning back up. and your right, I blew up 3 Vacuums before I bought a hammer and chained it to the case.

[RedSon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer42

Shame about all the [size=2] nonsense. where does that come from? Am I browsing wrong or something?

Also, I'm interested in your home-built PC. When do you think it will be available with support for the full range of scents? I've tried making my own, but I'm getting old and my hands just aren't steady enough to place those 2nm wires properly. Those damned electrons keep ending up all over the floor, and take forever to pick up. (Here's a tip, though - a magnet helps. Take it from me, you don't want to use a vacuum cleaner - ouch!).

Oh, and about knowing what is required to start a computer up. I wonder how many people these days have any idea why it is (or at least was) referred to as "booting". That's probably why MS refer to it as "starting up" or "restarting" - they got tired of trying to explain it.

For any who may be wondering, no, it has nothing to do with kicking the computer. :) Well, not directly, anyway.

Good question, I wonder how many people in this thread know what the word "booting" or "boot" is short for. If you knew that but didn't know what was actually involved in "booting" you would at least get partial credit from me.

[RedSon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdanw

The engineers told me that when it gets hot the case stored an excess of electrons. When the drive stopped spinning, the electrons Created a Static field effect that would keep the drive from spinning back up. and your right, I blew up 3 Vacuums before I bought a hammer and chained it to the case.

Now that deserves a LOL.

[Killer42]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedSon

Now that deserves a LOL.

You may mock, but have you ever tried to pick out which are your electrons, from those that have leaked out of the light fittings? Those things are damned hard to identify.

And of course everyone knows that if you use low-quality coal-generated electrons, you end up with soot marks everywhere. That's why I only use solar- or wind-generated. (I did try tidal, but the salt tends to corrode your equipment.)

LOL. Got a photon mixed in with them once, too - hoo, that caused some fun and games.

[RedSon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer42

You may mock, but have you ever tried to pick out which are your electrons, from those that have leaked out of the light fittings? Those things are damned hard to identify.

And of course everyone knows that if you use low-quality coal-generated electrons, you end up with soot marks everywhere. That's why I only use solar- or wind-generated. (I did try tidal, but the salt tends to corrode your equipment.)

LOL. Got a photon mixed in with them once, too - hoo, that caused some fun and games.

My OS uses 100% recycled post-consumer electrons. Lets see any other OS beat that.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK guys !!!!
We got a work to do , so lets start. First we need to know the number of the programmers that work whit us on this project , then we need some codes that you think will be usefull.So any ideas ????

PS: We need hard work for this !!!!

*VACE*

[YarrOfDoom]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

OK guys !!!!
We got a work to do , so lets start. First we need to know the number of the programmers that work whit us on this project , then we need some codes that you think will be usefull.So any ideas ????

PS: We need hard work for this !!!!

*VACE*

I can"t do C++ or assembly, so I don't count as programmer, I'm here for creating the graphs and stuff.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK Yarr. We must have somewhone who eil nuild a graphics. So . . . .



*VACE*

[r035198x]

Honestly I don't think you are going to get very far with this. I'll refer you to these questions asked by Jos.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JosAH

Forget about Visual Basic if your target is a new operating system. Write down
the 'features' or requirements your operating system is supposed to support.

Is it a multi tasking operating system? Does it support light weight threading?
Does it support the notion of multiple users? Are you going to build a micro
kernel or a monolithic kernel? What's the process model? How are you going
to manage real vs virtual memory? Are you going to support virtual memory?
If so, what are the impacts on a filing system? Is it going to be compliant to any
form of POSIX? If so, does it support existing code bases? How about all the
GNU stuff? Would it run on your operating system? Any new ideas in your
operating system that people want to use? What existing hardware does it
support? Just PCs? What about other hardware and cross platform support?
(think about networks of heterogenous hardware) Is process switching going to
be fast? Would people like to use your operating system over other operating
systems with a large user base? etc. etc. etc. please elaborate on your plans.

kind regards,

Jos

Do you even understand any of these questions yet? If you want to learn a few things then I suggest you make an effort to understand these questions first (You won't be able to understand all of them now).
You are young and still have a lot to learn. Why don't you try smaller projects and get to understand some fundamental concepts of programming first? Most programmers out there write lots of crap code because they started "making software" without having read some very important concepts of software design. I hope you won't make the same mistake. If you really want to make an OS then you should be spending time reading up on all the questions that Jos asked above.

I'm probably sounding hard/harsh on you but I hope you get the message I'm trying to relay.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm young and i need a hard work.You don't know that i'm progreamer expert . . .. . . I will learn every think I need just to not use Windows . . .OK ???


*VACE*

[VACEPROGRAMER]

And who put me in this site????
http://digg.com/comedy/VACE_needs_help_making_an_OS
And why I'm in comedy , can someone tell me , a ?????
And if someone don't like to build a new Os it's ok , just say , OK????
I'm very angry!!!!!!!! Ought !!!!!!!!
*VACE*

[RedSon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

And who put me in this site????
http://digg.com/comedy/VACE_needs_help_making_an_OS
And why I'm in comedy , can someone tell me , a ?????
And if someone don't like to build a new Os it's ok , just say , OK????
I'm very angry!!!!!!!! Ought !!!!!!!!
*VACE*

Vace,

I'm sure that everyone would really *really* like to explain this to you but I think that they feel it might be a lost cause. It's like this, have you ever tried to explain the mathmatics of particle physics to a jar of mayonaise?

You can see who put you on digg, the person who did so posted that they did so above. Also, there are lots of people who would like to build an OS but its like trying to buile a cruise ship. It takes lots of people, lots of time, and lots of design work before hand. No one who is 14 years, and an "expert" in writing VB viruses can be taken seriously when they say "lets build a new OS".

Sorry to break it to you.

[debasisdas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

You don't know that i'm progreamer expert . . .. . . I

What is a progreamer ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

will learn every think I need just to not use Windows . . .OK ???

What do you think ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

And why I'm in comedy , can someone tell me , a ?????

Needs to be explained ?

[VACEPROGRAMER]

PROGRAMER is PROGRAMMER. It's OK if you don't like to build a new OS.
OK we will stopi whit this. We won't build a new OS. OK??? You are happy now??? Thanks for "HELPING TO ME" !!! I will build it alone. !!!

***VACE***

[r035198x]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

PROGRAMER is PROGRAMMER. It's OK if you don't like to build a new OS.
OK we will stopi whit this. We won't build a new OS. OK??? You are happy now??? Thanks for "HELPING TO ME" !!! I will build it alone. !!!

***VACE***

Google "Ten commandments of programming" and read them.

[RedSon]

Stone tablet version...is that what you are talking about r0?

[daniel aristidou]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedSon

Stone tablet version...is that what you are talking about r0?

Nice..... never seen that before...its nice and logical

[RedSon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel aristidou

Nice..... never seen that before...its nice and logical

Well, there are other one's too but I think that is the most often referred to one. Maybe r0 has a special one that Google keeps hidden on a search.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

GUYS!!!!!! How many time I need to tell you , this thread is STOPED. We won't build a new OS and I prefert to delete this thread. And its enought for helping me, I will just stay VB Virus programmer. . . .
By the way , Ali ! Yarr ! we can work together ,OK???

***VACE***

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK!!! I am waiting for your word? We will stopt this project or we will continue ?

YES or NO

***VACE***

[YarrOfDoom]

If you need some images (buttons and stuff), just tell me. Even if you never complete it, at least I had something to keep myself busy with.

[Scott Price]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

GUYS!!!!!! How many time I need to tell you , this thread is STOPED. We won't build a new OS and I prefert to delete this thread. And its enought for helping me, I will just stay VB Virus programmer. . . .
By the way , Ali ! Yarr ! we can work together ,OK???

***VACE***

Relax, VACE... You'll never get very far in life without learning to laugh at yourself a bit, or if it's too painful at the moment to laugh, at least learn to lighten up just a hair.

Also, virus programmers make life rather hard for every one else who works with computers in a constructive way, so please don't keep making/attempting to make such things!

Kind regards,
Scott

[numberwhun]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Price

Also, virus programmers make life rather hard for every one else who works with computers in a constructive way, so please don't keep making/attempting to make such things!

Plus, virus writers get caught all the time. Reading Vance's post, I will stick with unix/linux since he writes his virii for windows (obviously).

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Ok , you tret me like a fool. You think I'm stupid. Well Thanks.

***vace***

[VACEPROGRAMER]

And by the way i got a new MSN. Ali and Yarr do not use that MSN. Some crazy guy know my password so don't acceps messeges from that adress.

***VACE***

[YarrOfDoom]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

And by the way i got a new MSN. Ali and Yarr do not use that MSN. Some crazy guy know my password so don't acceps messeges from that adress.

***VACE***

You should know by now that I don't even use MSN anymore.

[NeoPa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VACEPROGRAMER

...
And its enought for helping me, I will just stay VB Virus programmer. . . .
...
***VACE***

Vace, I know you're not a natural English speaker.
I was wondering what you understand a virus writer to be? Most members in this forum would look down their noses at a virus writer. It's certainly not something to be proud of. It's a negative thing for all concerned. I'm wondering if for you perhaps it means something different from what we all understand it to mean?