
March 24th, 2007, 05:15 AM
| | | Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
asking to you, gurus...
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'? | 
March 24th, 2007, 05:55 AM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
On Mar 24, 12:13 am, "DirtyHarry" <kim20...@gmail.comwrote: Quote:
Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
asking to you, gurus...
>
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
| What you call 'double' - real32?
I'm certainly not well versed in the history of the languages ( I
suspect this dates back to C ) nonetheless, Fortran is the only
language I've encountered that used REAL. Granted, rational,
irrational etc - numbers are approximations of real arithmetic, I
suspect machine precision limitations plays an important role. Beyond
that I'm unsure what the impetus is. | 
March 24th, 2007, 05:55 AM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
DirtyHarry wrote: Quote:
Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
asking to you, gurus...
>
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
| float stands for "floating point" as opposed to "fixed point". It is a
more accurate description than "real" since not all real numbers are
representable by a floating point number. | 
March 24th, 2007, 06:05 AM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
"DirtyHarry" <kim20026@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1174709605.314071.324610@e65g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com... Quote:
Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
asking to you, gurus...
>
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
| So if we call a float a real, does that mean we have to call an int a fake?
float is more descriptive I believe. | 
March 24th, 2007, 09:05 AM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
DirtyHarry wrote: Quote: |
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
| Because a 'float' is not a real number, but a floating point number.
There's a big difference. | 
March 24th, 2007, 12:55 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
Dnia Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:49:04 -0700, ma740988 napisał(a): Quote: |
Fortran is the only language I've encountered that used REAL.
| Pascal used it too ;)
And it's probably the language used formerly by OP, causing
his confusion upon encountering 'float' ;J
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March 24th, 2007, 01:45 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
Jim Langston wrote: Quote:
"DirtyHarry" <kim20026@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1174709605.314071.324610@e65g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com... Quote:
>Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
>just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
>textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
>asking to you, gurus...
>>
>Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
| >
So if we call a float a real, does that mean we have to call an int a
fake?
| I guess the OP is talking about the mathematical term as in "real number",
not the opposite of "fake". Quote: |
float is more descriptive I believe.
| Agreed. | 
March 24th, 2007, 01:55 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
DirtyHarry wrote: Quote:
Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
asking to you, gurus...
>
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
| Counter question: Is there any particular reason to call it 'real' instead
of 'float'? | 
March 24th, 2007, 02:05 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
DirtyHarry wrote: Quote:
Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
asking to you, gurus...
>
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
>
| float is short for "floating-point." double is short for
double-precision floating point.
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Author of "The Standard C++ Library Extensions: a Tutorial and
Reference." ( www.petebecker.com/tr1book) | 
March 24th, 2007, 05:05 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
On Mar 24, 8:43 am, Rolf Magnus <ramag...@t-online.dewrote: Quote:
Counter question: Is there any particular reason to call it 'real' instead
of 'float'?
| I suspect the OP's thought process reflects what I - perhaps all of us
- was taught in a mathematical sense. In that regard, I'd talk in
terms of integers, real numbers and complex numbers. These are terms
everyone understands including C / C++ programmers. I had a similar
question hen I first encountered 'floats and double'. I'd like to
believe Real32 and Real64 would suffice, but considering C/C++ has
been around for sometime, you chalk it up to 'it is what it is' and
move on.
In the end, the OP could always - worse case - typedef the float/
double to what he/she considers a more meaningful description. That's
the beauty of the language. | 
March 24th, 2007, 05:15 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
Gianni Mariani ha scritto:
It is a Quote:
more accurate description than "real" since not all real numbers are
representable by a floating point number.
| neither are all the integers by int... | 
March 24th, 2007, 06:25 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
Giff wrote: Quote:
Gianni Mariani ha scritto:
>
It is a Quote:
>more accurate description than "real" since not all real numbers are
>representable by a floating point number.
| >
neither are all the integers by int...
| All integers from INT_MIN to INT_MAX are. For 'float' that is not so.
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March 25th, 2007, 05:25 AM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
On Mar 24, 8:58 am, "ma740988" <ma740...@gmail.comwrote: Quote:
On Mar 24, 8:43 am, Rolf Magnus <ramag...@t-online.dewrote:
> Quote:
Counter question: Is there any particular reason to call it 'real' instead
of 'float'?
| >
I suspect the OP's thought process reflects what I - perhaps all of us
- was taught in a mathematical sense. In that regard, I'd talk in
terms of integers, real numbers and complex numbers. These are terms
everyone understands including C / C++ programmers. I had a similar
question hen I first encountered 'floats and double'. I'd like to
believe Real32 and Real64 would suffice, but considering C/C++ has
been around for sometime, you chalk it up to 'it is what it is' and
move on.
| A "real" type would have to be able to represent irrational numbers -
which floating point numbers cannot represent, since all floating
point numbers (except for infinity) are rational. Quote:
In the end, the OP could always - worse case - typedef the float/
double to what he/she considers a more meaningful description. That's
the beauty of the language.
| Defining a "real" typedef for float is not going to change the types
of numbers that a float can represent. So the typedef would not change
the fact that a float does not represent real numbers, but the "real"
name could mislead anyone who sees it - into believing that it does.
Greg | 
March 25th, 2007, 05:25 AM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
* Greg Herlihy: Quote:
On Mar 24, 8:58 am, "ma740988" <ma740...@gmail.comwrote: Quote:
>On Mar 24, 8:43 am, Rolf Magnus <ramag...@t-online.dewrote:
>> Quote:
>>Counter question: Is there any particular reason to call it 'real' instead
>>of 'float'?
| >I suspect the OP's thought process reflects what I - perhaps all of us
>- was taught in a mathematical sense. In that regard, I'd talk in
>terms of integers, real numbers and complex numbers. These are terms
>everyone understands including C / C++ programmers. I had a similar
>question hen I first encountered 'floats and double'. I'd like to
>believe Real32 and Real64 would suffice, but considering C/C++ has
>been around for sometime, you chalk it up to 'it is what it is' and
>move on.
| >
A "real" type would have to be able to represent irrational numbers -
which floating point numbers cannot represent, since all floating
point numbers (except for infinity) are rational.
> Quote:
>In the end, the OP could always - worse case - typedef the float/
>double to what he/she considers a more meaningful description. That's
>the beauty of the language.
| >
Defining a "real" typedef for float is not going to change the types
of numbers that a float can represent. So the typedef would not change
the fact that a float does not represent real numbers, but the "real"
name could mislead anyone who sees it - into believing that it does.
| Well. 'int' is rather misleading too. Come to think of it, is there
any type name in a programming language that isn't misleading, when one
thinks of it with mathematical-inspired expectations?
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March 25th, 2007, 05:55 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
"DirtyHarry" worte: Quote:
Good day everyone. This sounds like a stupid question, but I became
just curious yesterday, and I looked up several textbooks. However, no
textbooks on computer language (that I have ) mentioned this. So I am
asking to you, gurus...
>
Is there any particular reason to call 'float' instead of 'real'?
| My guess is that it originated with the hardware designers. It seemed
descriptive so others that came along just adopted it.
My theory seems to be supported by this link. http://www.oars.utk.edu/math_archive...pr99/0144.html | 
March 27th, 2007, 05:45 AM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
Thanks, everyone... Finally I got out of clouds... | 
March 28th, 2007, 07:25 PM
| | | Re: Why float is called as 'float', not 'real'?
Dnia Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:59:12 -0700, Jim Langston napisał(a): Quote:
So if we call a float a real, does that mean we have to
call an int a fake?
| unreal :>
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